Discovery Grid Community Meeting 2019-06-15
Note: The meeting is best seen by downloading the Word document (can be viewed using Libre Office)
1:50PM
Tenbears Running
Everyone, please be seated.
We reserved 10 minutes to let people set up their voice chat. We do hope you already did this earlier as we are starting at 2PM.
We are not expecting you to have to speak in voice, but we do need you to be able to hear us speak.
[In text chat] Did you hear what I said in voice?
[In text chat] Is there anyone who cannot hear us? Let us know now and we will help you with the settings.
Quick start for setting up voice in Firestorm
1. Do Ctrl + P to open your preferences window in Firestorm.
2. Click on the Sound & Media tab.
3. Click on "Voice" at the top of the window.
4. Make sure the "Enable Voice" box is ticked.
5. Click OK.
6. A white dot should now appear above your avatar's head.
This setup will allow you to hear us talking during the meeting.
There are more detailed instructions for working with Voice as well as some great tips and shortcuts at this link:
https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_using_voice
2:00PM Meeting Begins
Balpien Hammerer
Greetings, thank you for coming to the third community meeting of 2019. I am Balpien Hammerer owner/operator of this grid. Our grid admins are Jay Copperfield, Lindee Ellsmere, and Tenbears Running. Lindee and Jay have taken on the role of Greeter Manager. I want to give thanks to Lily Lightcloud who held that role for many months. On staff doing the opensim builds and keeping an eye on the OpenSim core developments is Kayaker Magic. I maintain the servers, pumps, steam pipes and I wrote the grid manager code that monitors all the regions.
To get the full meeting minutes, which will include all the text-chat take takes place, please go to https://discoverygrid.net, click on the {KnowledgeBase} button then navigate to the “meeting minutes” folder. They will be posted there tomorrow. I am out of town at an RL gathering, so there will be a delay getting these meetings posted.
Though I am giving this talk in voice to speed things up, text chat works best for questions. Please ask them at the end of each topic area when I open up the meeting for feedback. We will respond and write our responses in text chat as well as voice. After the meeting we will expand on the answers in the meeting minutes document.
The last meeting took place April 6th. Did everyone get a chance to read the minutes? If so, I’d like to get feedback.
State of the Grid
In the last meeting, I mention the grid has five Robust grid service instances. One handles assets and logins, the other four handle the torrent of HG visitor inventory/asset downloads. That has worked out quite well and it separates the inefficient HG cross grid accesses from the otherwise fast local inventory and assets accesses.
As happened before, Linux got hit with another series of security updates that fixed newly exploited vulnerabilities. We were not affected by any hacks, but I always will update the servers when security updates arise Some of those updates require server reboots. We had two required grid maintenance reboots since April. When these happen they are announced in several places. Notably it is announced in the viewer splash page whenever you launch the viewer. Before hitting that friendly “Login” button, please look through the announcements. The viewer page looks like this:
You will always see the grid announcement title and it also lets you see the current events happening on the grid (more on that shortly). If you want to see the details of the announcement, click on the blue info icon to expand the contents. Like this:
New OpenSim releases
In the last meeting I mentioned we had huge performance and stability problems with the 0.9.1.snail OpenSim release. It was confirmed that the snail releases are experimental: Your mileage may vary. I switched to a fork of the OpenSim code base developed by LaNani Sundara after Kayaker informed me of an alternate effort to get a better OpenSim code base. These ‘nani’ releases have proven to bring massive performance improvements. We used to get a lot of high bandwidth in regions, many problems with groups, and severe memory leaks. All of those problems were addressed in the nani releases. There were some bugs along the way, but LaNani is responsive to bug reports. She responds to and fixes within a week, and so I am sticking with this fork forthwith. Presently the grid is running Nani 22May and it is quite stable.
By far the most important changes were technical: compressed viewer messages, object culling and fixes to loss of communications between the region simulators and the Robust grid service. The massive reduction in network traffic to the viewer reduced lag significantly. Viewer FPS is much higher. Avatars, especially the complex mesh ones render in seconds compare to minutes or hours. Object culling massive reduced the number of objects a viewer has to track and that too eliminated another major source of lag.
[14:18] Lindee Ellsmere: awesome!
[14:18] Kith Whitehawk: she is fantastic....
[14:18] Jay Copperfield: She is
[14:20] Arton Tripsa: awesome
Search services: Events, Places, Classifieds
The nani releases also bundled the OSgrid search feature, which is what I needed to make classifieds work. I spent several weeks cleaning up the code (though it mostly worked I found security holes) and with those changes I got events, places, and classifieds to work in the grid. Events are fully functional. You can search for them inworld or through the Discovery Grid WEB site and in the viewer’s splash page. The inworld event Map and Teleport buttons work. There is a cosmetic viewer bug where it does not understand VAR regions, so the location shown wraps around on locations greater than 256m. Again this is a cosmetic bug – the teleport button will take you to the right spot.
This is the how events look from the viewer splash page or the DG WEB site:
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: Yay!!!
[14:21] Kith Whitehawk: wooohha!!!
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya ?´¨)
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ?.(¯`•.•´¯)
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ?¤°.`•.¸.•´ ? ? ? Applauds!! ? ? ¸.•*¨)?°?
[14:21] Jeff Edwards: And works like a charm
[14:21] MoonMaiden Horner: Yessss!
[14:21] Drew Hunter: they are geat
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: woot woot
[14:21] Lannorra Sion: woohoo
[14:21] Jay Copperfield: They are awesome!
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: there it is
[14:21] MoonMaiden Horner: <<--has made use of all of the features :)
[14:22] Jay Copperfield: :)
[14:22] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:22] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Hey the TP diretly to event thing is GREAT
[14:22] Jay Copperfield: I love that feature
[14:22] Lindee Ellsmere: oh me too
[14:22] Kith Whitehawk: Hy :))
[14:27] Drew Hunter: does traffic work
[14:27] Neytiri Omatikaya: :D
[14:27] Lindee Ellsmere: perfect!
[14:27] Hazumi Kaze: :-)
[14:27] Calnia Westland: awesome features!
I also added a direct event login feature much like the SL system. When you launch the viewer you can left click on an event, the viewer will set your location to the event, then log you in automatically. This does require that you have checked both the “[x] remember my username” and the “[x] remember my password” settings.
Classifieds
Classifieds also work inworld. You create a classified advert by going the menu Avatar / Profile, click on the “Classifieds” tab then create your advert. Be certain to select the correct maturity rating. Set the price then submit it. The price is a weekly charge although it has not been turned on yet.
On Classifieds Charges
[14:32] MoonMaiden Horner: Is there a charge for setting a classified?
[14:32] Modee Parlez: you are in my seat kjill
[14:32] MoonMaiden Horner: (It charged me yesterday lol)
[14:33] Jillian2000 Quintessa: last time i send YOU a TP
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: the initial charge, yes Moon
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: recurring is not "turned on" yet
[14:33] Hazumi Kaze: :-D
[14:33] MoonMaiden Horner: Okay..thanks :)
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: yw :)
Creating a classified costs a minimum of 10DC$. The more you pay the higher up your advert will be placed. The advert charge is weekly, but that is turned off for now.
Places
If you want to display your place, your store or hangout spot for others to see, create a parcel around that area, enter what you want people to see in the parcel description and name. Click on the “[x] Show in Search” setting. Places are presently shown inworld only, but they will eventually show up in the DG WEB site, also with direct login to the place.
On Places traffic based solely on real avatars (no NPCs/bots)
[14:28] Lannorra Sion: goo
[14:28] Lannorra Sion: good
[14:28] Drew Hunter: thata good
[14:28] Neytiri Omatikaya: yep - good
[14:30] Lindee Ellsmere: no
[14:30] Jay Copperfield: no
[14:30] Neytiri Omatikaya: not yet
[14:30] Jeff Edwards: I DOES WORK
[14:30] Jeff Edwards: IT
Advertising in the metaverse
Having inworld and WEB based events and classifieds is great way to reach inward to the local customer base, but there is a huge world out there in the metaverse. It is equally important to reach out to Hypergrid visitors. There are several ways to do that. OpenSimWorld.org is a WEB site that shows all the regions in the metaverse and events too. You have to create an account with them, and then set a beacon object that advertises your region to their WEB site. If you are interested in learning more about this, please let the admins know and we’ll see about scheduling a class on it.
Another venue is through the MeWe social forums and groups. To reach out, do post to our Discovery Grid forum. You need to get an account to do that, but it is easy to do so. Also post in the OpenSim Virtual group on MeWe. The fastest way to get to MeWe is by going to the DG WEB site: discoverygrid.net (.NET), then click on the {Forum} button.
Questions?
Greeter Activity
-[Turning it over to Jay and Lindee, who are the greeter managers.]
-Welcome our two new greeters: Natalie Oe, Arton Tripsa. And for those of you who don’t know, our current greeters are Jeff Edwards, Drew Hunter, Jewel Hunter, Kith Whitehawk.
Now joining the greeters team is Arton Tripsa, and Natelie Oe.
At this point we have Australia coverage, but we need more time zone coverage. By far the most important factor in retaining newcomers is being there to help them when they first arrive.
Call for Greeters
The Discovery Grid is looking for people that enjoy talking to and helping Newcomers to our Grid. We would like to expand our coverage to include all Time Zones with an emphasis on the EU and Central, Mountain and Pacific Time Zones in the United States.
The exciting thing about being a greeter on the Discovery Grid is that you can log on to the Greeter Board and then go about your usual business…no need to stand around being bored while waiting to help someone. The Greeter board notifies you when someone arrives!
If you would like to be part of our awesome Greeter Team, please contact one of our Greeter Managers, Jay Copperfield or Lindee Ellsmere.
We would love to have you as part of our Team!
Questions?
Ocean/Seas Terraforming Activity
One of the perks of owning regions in Discovery Grid is that the grid sponsors connecting oceans between all the regions whose owners chose to be part of the community. It is a huge land mass made from 4x4 and 8x8 ocean/sea light duty regions. A number of those oceans were built by tenbears, lovely lighthouses and other nautical emplacements. But during our rapid growth phase we had no time to do that decoration, and so the pimple islands remained as is. Modee Parlee and her piratical crew of Marine Salvage Operators did a great job of ocean terraforming surrounding the LooseCannon region but there remains many a pimpled oceans, and so, Kayaker Magic has helped to remedy this blight. As for ocean terra work, PLEASE write a support ticket for these requests. Direct request to admins or staff cause much havoc.
[Kayaker]
I'm not fond of the default OpenSim terrain, a small round island in the middle of a region often referred to as “Pimple Island”. Way too many of the public Discovery Ocean regions have this terrain. So some time ago I started sneaking around and abusing my admin group membership by terraforming some of these regions and doing something interesting on them. I was pleased to see a picture of one of my efforts show up on MeWe! If you explore the Oceans of Discovery Grid you will discover more sites like that! Eventually the admins caught me in the act and told me I could keep doing this only if I limited the number of prims and removed most of the scripted items. Sadly this meant removing the sharks that bit passing surfers on one of the regions I decorated. I got tired of fractal islands and also got a request for some flat terrain, but when I made some large flat islands in the oceans I was told they were “ugly” and had to remove them. The fractal islands I have placed in the Discovery Oceans often make passage by boats challenging, so I am offering a service called “Operation Plowshare”. If you would like a channel blasted through some of the islands in the Oceans, file a support ticket and I will come do so. This is actually kind of fun, you will want to be there for the fireworks!
Sponsored Event – Discovery Grid birthday Celebration
Yes, the grid’s third birthday is this July! And, to celebrate it, the grid is sponsoring a series of events: music, special guests, and the metaverse famous high precision fireworks by Neytiri. The first event takes place Thursday July 4th starting at 10:30AM Pacific time with an encore event the same time Saturday July 6th.
- Our sponsored 4th and 6th July dates.
4th 6th - tribute 10:30AM, 11:30-noon preshow noon-fireworks, 12:30-aftershow DJ Astoria
[14:55] Hazumi Kaze: NY build?
[14:55] Jillian2000 Quintessa: the New Years build she did
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: no guessing! :)
[14:55] Jillian2000 Quintessa: time's square
[14:55] Hazumi Kaze: oh ok
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: surprise
[14:56] Jay Copperfield: It will be a surprise!
[14:56] Modee Parlez: BTW i know of 4 Downunders now, we need 6 to get a serfer there too right ?
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: i recreated a portion of Times Square at full scale Hazumi
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: for the NYE one
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: Discovery will have THE very first professional real pyromusical ever done on the entire Hypergrid
[14:56] Nyx Breen: theres a few shows right off time square :)
[14:56] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:56] Modee Parlez: Jeff ?
[14:56] Calnia Westland: the Time Square event was amazing!
[14:57] Neytiri Omatikaya: :D
[14:57] Hazumi Kaze: :-)
Problem Areas
Blocked Emails
We have run into the problem, AGAIN, of Microsoft blocking emails from Discovery Grid to their email properties. Microsoft now owns outlook.com plus the UK, AU, and NL variants, Hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com (and all country variants). On May 29th they block us. I went through the usual process to clear that up (it takes a few hours to compose the forms with sample bounce backs). After all was done they refused to clear things. And worse, they refused to say why. Usually this means someone has complained to them about receiving SPAM. The last time this happened it took 3 months to clear things up, but this time they blocked us permanently. Now I will work on this and maybe 5-6 months from now I will get it resolved, but it is clear Microsoft blocks quickly and releases slowly if ever. But I can no longer rely on using their services as they hurt the grid. There are plenty of other ISP and free email domains. Just switch to one. We’ve not had this problem with any of them, including gmail.
Having a blocked email on your account poses two serious problems. First, if anyone owns a region they stop receiving tier notices. We have already run into this issue and it causes much consternation to everyone involved. Second, we absolutely must have a reachable email address to stay in compliance with the EU GDPR (privacy laws) as well as the California privacy laws. Many states are adopting the California privacy laws so this is not an optional thing for us. We require active email verification once every 100 to 200 days (the time frame is chosen randomly between that range). If a verification is not received within 10 days of the request, the software suspends the account. And to meet privacy guidelines suspended accounts are deleted after 100 days. So this is serious. Please change your email address if it is one of those Microsoft accounts. We no longer accept those email addresses when an avatar is created. We have to do this because the GDPR fines are massive. One such fine will kill this grid. Other grids have tried consent based approaches that are legally questionable. Having such things tested in court is quite expensive.
Changing your email is fairly easy. If you run into problems changing it, file a support ticket and we will help you do it.
Questions?
On Blocked Emails, why DG and not other grids
[14:58] Neytiri Omatikaya: Micro$haft
[14:58] Modee Parlez: macroganstas
[14:59] Hazumi Kaze: they dont care they microsoft
[15:04] IM: Jay Copperfield: Lannorra Sion: raises hand
[15:04] Lannorra Sion: its kinda crazy, cause i get emails from Great canadian grid all the time to my live account. i did change email for here to my gmail account... But i wonder why they are not banning them?
Other grids do run into this problem and they do get blocked, so they too go through the process of getting unbanned. It does take time. Bigger grids have a staff to do that work. But the biggest issue is about the actions people take. What typically happens is that when a person decides to rehome to some other grid or leave a grid, they often leave their accounts opened and they do not at the very least turn off email delivery of IMs and group notices. So, when they start getting those now unwanted emails they mark them as SPAM. But what people do not realize (although I suspect they do) is that when an email is moved to the junk or spam folder that files a complaint, and when enough of those happen, the sender (grid) gets blocked. Every other email ISP DG sends to except for Microsoft is very reasonable. It does not take much effort to get unblocked. Bigger grids carry more clout. But, Microsoft has a very long winded process and they force you to go through an arduous dispute process. During that time you are not getting emails. It’s not worth the time or loss of business.
[15:05] Arton Tripsa: oh my
[15:05] Lannorra Sion: oh noo
[15:05] Modee Parlez: aha
[15:05] Drew Hunter: did not know that
[15:06] Drew Hunter: very good info
[15:06] Lannorra Sion: wow
Limiting Uploads
One of the ways we keep our tier low and competitive is to manage our resources carefully. There are resources that get used on some heavy days. There is ample capacity in the grid servers to handle the day to day spikes in resource usage. Every server is a mix of private regions and oceans. Those oceans are design to release their resource quickly so that a temporary party or an event receives the server resources it needs to run without lagging out.
The big problem is with assets and it faces all grids. The way OpenSim (and SL and ex-InWorldz) assets are set up is that to make asset access extremely efficient requires that once an asset is written it stays around forever. An asset is a texture, an mesh geometry, a sound, a script, a notecard, an avatar body and shape definition. Prims and object are assemblies of assets. So, every time someone uploads things to the grid, they are adding to the asset database for practically forever. Cleaning up redundancies after the fact takes days/weeks to resolve. There is in place a mechanism that, when it finds a duplicate asset at the time of creation, it does some clever hashing to store but one asset. That works quite well. Starting from mid-2016 to present day, we have 6 million unique assets but lately we have seen a rise in that count. Other grids are running into this problem and it concerning because at some point additional drives will have to added to assets. Almost all of this new activity is caused primarily by observations:
Prim washing – we are seeing the prim equivalent of money laundering which is a technique used to rehome stolen content onto another grid. A year we saw this happen where someone from a copybot grid would visit and transfer goods to another person from another grid using Discovery Grid as the intermediary. We put a stop to that, but now we are seeing another version of this theft activity.
Other grid build activity – we are seeing a fast growing use from people in other grids (such as SL) uploading thousands of assets solely to take those products elsewhere. This gratuitous use of grid resources that do not benefit the grid whatsoever is especially concerning because if that keeps up we would have to raise tier to cover the costs of new asset servers. It is not fair to our residents.
I have not yet decided how to deal with this problem in a way that does not impact our local users and I would like feedback from you on it. One approach is to charge for uploads but then refund the upload charges later to our local users. Another approach is to set visitors with a no-uploads user level and then change the user level to uploads allowed for residents who own, rent, or contribute to the economy. The recent Nani release of OpenSim added this capability. Clearly other grids have this problem too.
Questions?
Meeting Chat Log
[13:48] Kith Whitehawk: lol good on ya Jillian
[13:48] Jillian2000 Quintessa is online.
[13:48] Tenbears Running entered the region (6.73 m).
[13:48] MoonMaiden Horner entered the region (4.64 m).
[13:48] Jillian2000 Quintessa entered the region (6.31 m).
[13:48] Jewel Hunter entered the region (6.31 m).
[13:48] jennifer law entered the region (9.49 m).
[13:48] Jeff Edwards entered the region (6.31 m).
[13:48] Drew Hunter entered the region (9.49 m).
[13:48] Slyder Morgan entered the region (9.49 m).
[13:48] Kith Whitehawk entered the region (4.64 m).
[13:48] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Well I'm a Mac user
[13:48] Jillian2000 Quintessa: but we have our own issues
[13:48] Kith Whitehawk: nods :)
[13:49] Jay Copperfield entered the region (13.51 m).
[13:49] Jillian2000 Quintessa: bubbleheads???
[13:49] Jillian2000 Quintessa: I resent that remark
[13:49] Jillian2000 Quintessa: we hear you!
[13:49] Jillian2000 Quintessa: haha
[13:50] Jillian2000 Quintessa: I'm using it with good effect
[13:51] Jillian2000 Quintessa: ewww
[13:51] Hazumi Kaze is offline.
[13:51] Drew Hunter: can you hear Jennifer?
[13:52] jennifer law: not yet
[13:52] Jillian2000 Quintessa: who has the dog?
[13:52] Lily Lightcloud is offline.
[13:52] Jillian2000 Quintessa: or late
[13:52] Tenbears Running: Sorry, our Rott
[13:53] Max North entered the region (7.37 m).
[13:54] Drew Hunter: hey Max
[13:54] Kith Whitehawk: Hey Max!
[13:54] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Max :)
[13:54] Jillian2000 Quintessa: I still had it in my clipboard
[13:54] Jillian2000 Quintessa: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[13:54] Max North: Hello
[13:54] Max North: Not sure she is going ot come
[13:54] Max North: to come
[13:55] Thor Wytchwood entered the region (21.48 m).
[13:55] MoonMaiden Horner: lol
[13:55] KrakkenAres Pleides entered the region (13.86 m).
[13:55] Max North: is this going to be voice or text?
[13:55] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Thor :)
[13:55] Kith Whitehawk: voice Max
[13:55] Jeff Edwards: Voice
[13:55] Thor Wytchwood: Greetings
[13:55] Tuscan Lectar entered the region (14.55 m).
[13:55] Max North: Ok
[13:55] Drew Hunter: hi thor
[13:56] Aliah Dufaux entered the region (14.46 m).
[13:56] Jillian2000 Quintessa: hello Thor
[13:56] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Aliah, Krakken :)
[13:56] Aliah Dufaux: greetings one and all
[13:56] Drew Hunter: greeting
[13:56] Lindee Ellsmere: Hi Aliah!
[13:56] Thor Wytchwood: yes can hear you, but i can´t offer a mic
[13:56] Jay Copperfield: Hello!
[13:57] Lindee Ellsmere: No worries
[13:57] Tuscan Lectar whispers: Greetings One and all
[13:57] Hazumi Kaze is online.
[13:57] Tuscan Lectar shouts: Greetings One and all
[13:57] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Tuscan :)
[13:57] Lindee Ellsmere: Greetings Tuscan!
[13:57] KrakkenAres Pleides shouts: Greetings all
[13:57] Lindee Ellsmere: Hello Krakken!
[13:58] Kith Whitehawk: Hey ya Thor and Krakken!
[13:58] Kith Whitehawk: HI Tuscan and Aliah:)
[13:59] talia rosher entered the region (24.69 m).
[13:59] Hazumi Kaze entered the region (13.58 m).
[13:59] Kith Whitehawk: Haz :))
[13:59] Arton Tripsa is online.
[13:59] Arton Tripsa entered the region (21.13 m).
[13:59] Hazumi Kaze: oops soory Jeff
[14:00] talia rosher: yikes, sorry folks!!!
[14:00] Kith Whitehawk: Hi Arton good to see you :)
[14:00] Hazumi Kaze: hello everyone
[14:00] Drew Hunter: hello every9one
[14:00] Jillian2000 Quintessa: hearing you
[14:00] Jeff Edwards: yep
[14:00] Jillian2000 Quintessa: loud and clear
[14:00] MoonMaiden Horner: Yes
[14:00] Slyder Morgan: yes i can hear
[14:00] Arton Tripsa: ty Kith
[14:00] Tuscan Lectar: I Can Hear ya
[14:00] Arton Tripsa: hi everyone
[14:00] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Jennifer? Can you hear
[14:00] Jeff Edwards: Jen? Can you hear?
[14:00] Lindee Ellsmere: Can everyone hear us
[14:00] Aliah Dufaux: I can hear you
[14:00] KrakkenAres Pleides: I can Hear ya
[14:01] Neytiri Omatikaya entered the region (24.91 m).
[14:01] Max North: sing for us then. LOL
[14:02] Neytiri Omatikaya left the region.
[14:02] MoonMaiden Horner: loool
[14:02] Jeff Edwards: Rolls eyes
[14:02] Kith Whitehawk: lol.... he better be sharin them
[14:02] Hazumi Kaze: ooo do we all get a free bottle of bubbly?
[14:02] Thor Wytchwood: tell us more
[14:02] Thor Wytchwood hides his palinka
[14:02] Neytiri Omatikaya entered the region (23.88 m).
[14:02] Jeff Edwards: Wine-Box Balpein
[14:02] Calnia Westland is online.
[14:02] MoonMaiden Horner: lool Jeff
[14:02] Kith Whitehawk: Hey ya Ney
[14:03] Max North: Kat is on her way she said. So she should be here in a few.
[14:03] Katrina North is online.
[14:03] Katrina North entered the region (24.79 m).
[14:03] Hazumi Kaze: how much do you bribe them Tenbears?
[14:03] Neytiri Omatikaya *waves*
[14:03] Neytiri Omatikaya: hiya everyone :)
[14:03] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Ney :)
[14:03] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Hi Ney!
[14:03] Kith Whitehawk: gtsy
[14:03] Jay Copperfield: Hi Neytiri!
[14:03] Neytiri Omatikaya: ditto! :D
[14:03] Calnia Westland entered the region (24.59 m).
[14:04] Hazumi Kaze: waves to Ney
[14:04] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol dang! LOL
[14:04] Neytiri Omatikaya: right in da middle!
[14:04] Neytiri Omatikaya: BOOM!
[14:04] MoonMaiden Horner: loool
[14:04] Neytiri Omatikaya: LOL Jewel
[14:04] jennifer law: Hi Cal and Ney:)
[14:04] Calnia Westland waves hi :)
[14:04] MoonMaiden Horner: Hi Calnia :)
[14:04] Jillian2000 Quintessa: perhaps yu could sing a duet Lindee and Jay
[14:04] Drew Hunter: hello Calnia
[14:05] Calnia Westland: yes, i hear you
[14:05] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Calnia!
[14:05] Kith Whitehawk: Hi there Cal..
[14:05] Jillian2000 Quintessa: hi Cal
[14:05] Hazumi Kaze: anyone?
[14:05] MoonMaiden Horner: loool
[14:05] Hazumi Kaze: thats Modee lol
[14:05] Katrina North is offline.
[14:05] Neytiri Omatikaya: definitely Modee
[14:05] Katrina North left the region.
[14:05] Max North: Kat Crashed.
[14:06] Kith Whitehawk: table dancin??
[14:06] Kith Whitehawk: you dint call!!??
[14:06] Neytiri Omatikaya: Jewel u dancing on tables AGAIN?
[14:06] Talluhlah Mills entered the region (593.15 m).
[14:06] Austin Shepherd entered the region (24.69 m).
[14:06] Jay Copperfield: Ask questions in text please.
[14:06] Jewel Hunter: always
[14:06] Kith Whitehawk: :)
[14:07] Talluhlah Mills left the region.
[14:07] Drew Hunter: hello Austin
[14:07] Neytiri Omatikaya: :D thass my bachagaloop!
[14:07] Nyx Breen entered the region (11.72 m).
[14:07] Neytiri Omatikaya: welcome!
[14:07] Drew Hunter: Woot Woot
[14:07] Neytiri Omatikaya ☆´¨)
[14:07] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ☆.(¯`•.•´¯)
[14:07] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ☆¤°.`•.¸.•´ ☆ ♪ ♫ Applauds!! ♫ ♪ ¸.•*¨)☆°☆
[14:07] Hazumi Kaze: yes
[14:07] Kith Whitehawk: welcome and ty Arton
[14:07] Kith Whitehawk: Hey Nyx
[14:07] Arton Tripsa: ty
[14:08] Hazumi Kaze: (its not easy work but rewarding )
[14:08] Balpien Hammerer entered the region (3.07 m).
[14:08] Neytiri Omatikaya: Thor? Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet?
[14:08] Jillian2000 Quintessa is online.
[14:08] Nyx Breen: afternoon all
[14:08] Drew Hunter: hello Ny
[14:08] Drew Hunter: Nyx
[14:08] Thor Wytchwood: hey^^
[14:08] Neytiri Omatikaya *waves to Drew*
[14:09] Drew Hunter: waves back
[14:09] MoonMaiden Horner: loool
[14:09] Neytiri Omatikaya: Zola'u nìprrte' ma Balpien. Oel ngati kameie. (Welcome, Balpien. I see you.)
[14:09] Katrina North is online.
[14:09] Kith Whitehawk: Hey Katrina
[14:10] Kith Whitehawk: Talia and Austin:)
[14:10] Katrina North: hello Kith
[14:10] talia rosher: hey Kith
[14:10] Kith Whitehawk: :)
[14:11] Jeff Edwards: 1
[14:11] Neytiri Omatikaya: Sìltsan (Good)
[14:11] Gilbert Buchanan is online.
[14:11] MoonMaiden Horner: looool
[14:11] Kith Whitehawk: bring back wine.....
[14:11] Kith Whitehawk: the good stuff dont be chincy :))
[14:12] Lannorra Sion is online.
[14:13] Tuscan Lectar: Ahhh.. having a bit of time hearing ya sir.
[14:13] Jeff Edwards: Louder please
[14:13] Jillian2000 Quintessa: a little faint
[14:13] Arton Tripsa: can hear yu fine
[14:13] MoonMaiden Horner: I turned you up on my side :)
[14:13] Tuscan Lectar: Sounds liek you are far far away
[14:13] Kith Whitehawk: Hi Lannora :)
[14:14] Calnia Westland: i hear you fine...it helps to cam in closer to the stage
[14:14] Arton Tripsa: wow
[14:14] Lannorra Sion: hi Kith
[14:14] Kith Whitehawk: :)
[14:17] Neytiri Omatikaya: *batteries not included
[14:17] Jay Copperfield: lol
[14:17] Neytiri Omatikaya: hehe
On the LaNani releases of Opensim:
[14:18] Lindee Ellsmere: awesome!
[14:18] Kith Whitehawk: she is fantastic....
[14:18] Jay Copperfield: She is
[14:20] Arton Tripsa: awesome
Search Services
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: Yay!!!
[14:21] Kith Whitehawk: wooohha!!!
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya ?´¨)
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ?.(¯`•.•´¯)
[14:21] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ?¤°.`•.¸.•´ ? ? ? Applauds!! ? ? ¸.•*¨)?°?
[14:21] Jeff Edwards: And works like a charm
[14:21] MoonMaiden Horner: Yessss!
[14:21] Drew Hunter: they are geat
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: woot woot
[14:21] Lannorra Sion: woohoo
[14:21] Jay Copperfield: They are awesome!
[14:21] Lindee Ellsmere: there it is
[14:21] MoonMaiden Horner: <<--has made use of all of the features :)
[14:22] Jay Copperfield: :)
[14:22] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:22] Jillian2000 Quintessa: Hey the TP diretly to event thing is GREAT
[14:22] Jay Copperfield: I love that feature
[14:22] Lindee Ellsmere: oh me too
[14:22] Kith Whitehawk: Hy :))
[14:27] Drew Hunter: does traffic work
[14:27] Neytiri Omatikaya: :D
[14:27] Lindee Ellsmere: perfect!
[14:27] Hazumi Kaze: :-)
[14:27] Calnia Westland: awesome features!
On Places traffic based solely on real avatars (no NPCs/bots)
[14:28] Lannorra Sion: goo
[14:28] Lannorra Sion: good
[14:28] Drew Hunter: thata good
[14:28] Neytiri Omatikaya: yep - good
[14:30] Lindee Ellsmere: no
[14:30] Jay Copperfield: no
[14:30] Neytiri Omatikaya: not yet
[14:30] Jeff Edwards: I DOES WORK
[14:30] Jeff Edwards: IT
[14:31] Modee Parlez is online.
[14:31] Tenbears Running: www.opensimworld.com
[14:31] hotcuddly bear is online.
[14:32] Jillian2000 Quintessa: .org
[14:32] Drew Hunter: works great
On Classifieds Charges
[14:32] MoonMaiden Horner: Is there a charge for setting a classified?
[14:32] Modee Parlez: you are in my seat kjill
[14:32] MoonMaiden Horner: (It charged me yesterday lol)
[14:33] Jillian2000 Quintessa: last time i send YOU a TP
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: the initial charge, yes Moon
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: recurring is not "turned on" yet
[14:33] Hazumi Kaze: :-D
[14:33] MoonMaiden Horner: Okay..thanks :)
[14:33] Neytiri Omatikaya: yw :)
Creating a classified costs a minimum of 10DC$. The more you pay the higher up your advert will be placed. The advert charge is weekly, but that is turned off for now,
[14:33] Jay Copperfield: Balpien did you see Moon's question?
[14:34] Lindee Ellsmere: yay
[14:34] Neytiri Omatikaya ?´¨)
[14:34] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ?.(¯`•.•´¯)
[14:34] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ?¤°.`•.¸.•´ ? ? ? Applauds!! ? ? ¸.•*¨)?°?
[14:34] Lannorra Sion: yay
[14:34] Lindee Ellsmere: thank you!!!!!
[14:34] Jay Copperfield: Yes, they do a great job!
[14:34] Hazumi Kaze: yay
[14:34] Lannorra Sion: applause
[14:34] Max North: claps one handed.
[14:34] Tuscan Lectar: Danke
[14:34] MoonMaiden Horner: Thanks, Bal :)
[14:34] Jay Copperfield: She said she got charged
[14:34] MoonMaiden Horner: Okay :)
[14:36] Tenbears Running: Over 120 million sq m
[14:36] Lannorra Sion: its awesome
[14:36] Hazumi Kaze: yay for Tenbears and Jay
[14:36] Lindee Ellsmere: sailing :D
[14:36] Jay Copperfield: :)
[14:36] Modee Parlez: the mimimap failed again yesterday
[14:36] Kith Whitehawk: wwooohhaa!!!!
[14:36] Lindee Ellsmere: yayayayayya
[14:36] MoonMaiden Horner: Yay!
[14:36] Neytiri Omatikaya ?´¨)
[14:36] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ?.(¯`•.•´¯)
[14:36] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ?¤°.`•.¸.•´ ? ? ? Applauds!! ? ? ¸.•*¨)?°?
[14:36] Lannorra Sion: :)
[14:36] Lindee Ellsmere: applause
[14:36] Modee Parlez: bravooooooooo
[14:36] Lindee Ellsmere: applause
[14:36] Lindee Ellsmere: applause
[14:36] Jeff Edwards: applause!
[14:36] Hazumi Kaze: they work so hard
[14:36] Jay Copperfield: That's Him ;)
[14:37] Drew Hunter: woot woot
[14:37] Arton Tripsa: Yay'
[14:37] Lindee Ellsmere: Dimple
[14:37] Jay Copperfield: Yuck
[14:37] Tenbears Running: uuggggg
[14:37] Lindee Ellsmere: eww
[14:37] Modee Parlez shouts: Navy !!!!
[14:37] Neytiri Omatikaya: Modee *is* a loose cannon
[14:37] Hazumi Kaze: yay to Modee n her crew
[14:37] Modee Parlez: ye sthe polar sea
[14:37] Jillian2000 Quintessa: true
[14:37] Jay Copperfield: She is Ney!
[14:37] Lindee Ellsmere: She IS!
[14:38] Modee Parlez: shup Ney
[14:38] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol Modee luv u mean it
[14:38] Modee Parlez: not gonna get slapped in public again hahaha
[14:38] Hazumi Kaze: just wait Modee :-P
[14:38] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol
[14:38] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:38] Lindee Ellsmere: lol
[14:38] Lindee Ellsmere: no
[14:38] Kith Whitehawk: who is not here lol
[14:38] Lindee Ellsmere: he's not here
[14:39] Lindee Ellsmere: lol
[14:39] Nyx Breen: excuse me?????
[14:40] Modee Parlez: you gor to see the polar sea but NOT pet the penguins
[14:40] Lindee Ellsmere: Kayaker busted! :D
[14:40] Hazumi Kaze: pet the penguins they friendly
[14:40] Lily Lightcloud is online.
[14:41] MoonMaiden Horner: loool
[14:41] Lannorra Sion: hehe
[14:41] Nyx Breen: places for drug runners to ply I got your ben-gay, pain-killers and other things :) all medicare approved
[14:41] IM: Jay Copperfield: Nyx wants to say some thing
[14:41] Nyx Breen: why the water oceans
[14:41] Nyx Breen: a response to your
[14:42] Nyx Breen: comments lag
[14:42] Drew Hunter: and makes us a community
[14:42] Neytiri Omatikaya: i think Nyx was saying he is drug running on the high seas - :D
[14:42] Tuscan Lectar: I have a question..
[14:42] Nyx Breen: yes curse you royal navy sailors
[14:42] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol
[14:42] Modee Parlez: i am continental !!
[14:43] Nyx Breen: Oui :)
[14:43] Balpien Hammerer: tuscan, question?
[14:43] Tuscan Lectar: Great to hear about al teh upgrades and improvements to various sims However,
[14:43] Tuscan Lectar: I going to assume these changes are complete. For at times it seem sto also change the topography of ones land.
[14:44] Tuscan Lectar: Oh Yeah .
[14:44] Tuscan Lectar: Ok.
[14:44] Thor Wytchwood: which midnight^^
[14:45] Arton Tripsa: Is it ok to restart your region using the tools on the DG website if it crashes in the middle of the night?
[14:45] Thor Wytchwood: kk
[14:45] Jay Copperfield: Yes, Arton it is
[14:45] Arton Tripsa: ok!
[14:46] Neytiri Omatikaya: feces does occur
[14:46] Lindee Ellsmere: oh really? (LOL)
[14:46] Arton Tripsa: ok
[14:47] Hazumi Kaze: is there any differance between re-booting a region from inside or the web page ?
[14:48] Hazumi Kaze: TY Balpien
[14:48] Arton Tripsa: ty
[14:49] Jillian2000 Quintessa: good to know
[14:49] Modee Parlez: Mini map problem , dots disappearing on ships
[14:49] Modee Parlez: happened again last nite
[14:50] Modee Parlez: july ? France ok :)
[14:50] Neytiri Omatikaya: ah - Modee - it is old pirate days - they dittn't HAVE mini-map/radar back then :P
[14:50] Neytiri Omatikaya: SSD rules!
[14:50] Hazumi Kaze: ( Modee cheats and looks for emany ships on mini map )
[14:50] MoonMaiden Horner: wow!
[14:50] Neytiri Omatikaya: yeah - thass what i am thinking too Hazumi
[14:51] Hazumi Kaze: lol
[14:51] Arton Tripsa: awesome
[14:51] Lannorra Sion: yay!
[14:51] Modee Parlez: " going to change smoe wires on ney's firework controls "
[14:51] Neytiri Omatikaya: :O
[14:51] Neytiri Omatikaya: don't make me come over there Modee
[14:52] Modee Parlez: sail with us once
[14:52] Modee Parlez: you'll see
[14:52] Modee Parlez: saw you fly by last nite
[14:52] Modee Parlez: mmmm ok
[14:52] Hazumi Kaze: oh no
[14:52] Modee Parlez: hahaha pokeshis eye
[14:52] Neytiri Omatikaya: all happy now Modee pumpkin?
[14:53] Modee Parlez: ??????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol
[14:53] Kith Whitehawk: asses B safetyglasses...
[14:53] Jay Copperfield: That is called delegating Modee :)
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya: rezzing
[14:53] Kith Whitehawk: passes
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: yes
[14:53] Arton Tripsa: yes
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya: yes
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: woot woot
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya *:-.,_,.-:*'``'* Hoooo! *'´´'*:-.,_,.-:*
[14:53] MoonMaiden Horner: Yay!
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: yay!!!!!!!!
[14:53] Jay Copperfield: Yeaaaaaahhhhhhh
[14:53] Modee Parlez: yayyyyyyyy
[14:53] Jillian2000 Quintessa: awesome
[14:53] Lannorra Sion: woohoo
[14:53] Hazumi Kaze: awsome :-)
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: HB DG
[14:53] Modee Parlez: i finally get my statue :)
[14:53] Kith Whitehawk: lol
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: fun!!!!!
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya *:-.,_,.-:*'``'* Hoooo! *'´´'*:-.,_,.-:*
[14:53] Lindee Ellsmere: yayayyayaya
[14:53] Neytiri Omatikaya: BOOM!
[14:54] Calnia Westland: yay!
[14:54] Lindee Ellsmere: awesome!
[14:54] Drew Hunter: lol
[14:54] Lindee Ellsmere: You will LUV it!! :)
[14:54] Jay Copperfield: Don't you love Balps Evil Snicker ;)
[14:54] Nyx Breen: tell us NOW
[14:54] Jillian2000 Quintessa: hard to top her NY city build
[14:54] Hazumi Kaze: statue is that the one that looks like a karaken?
[14:54] Modee Parlez: looks like it works, she is still amongst us
[14:54] Lindee Ellsmere: so real !!
[14:54] Lindee Ellsmere: so awesome
[14:54] Neytiri Omatikaya: oh this will top it Jillian! :D
[14:54] Jay Copperfield: Ney is Amazing!!!
[14:54] Calnia Westland: Ney is awesome!
[14:54] Neytiri Omatikaya: awes ty ty!
[14:54] Lindee Ellsmere: she is!
[14:55] Jay Copperfield: Ditto Calnia :)
[14:55] Modee Parlez: Ha !
[14:55] Hazumi Kaze: NY build?
[14:55] Jillian2000 Quintessa: the New Years build she did
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: no guessing! :)
[14:55] Jillian2000 Quintessa: time's square
[14:55] Hazumi Kaze: oh ok
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:55] Lindee Ellsmere: surprise
[14:56] Jay Copperfield: It will be a surprise!
[14:56] Modee Parlez: BTW i know of 4 Downunders now, we need 6 to get a serfer there too right ?
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: i recreated a portion of Times Square at full scale Hazumi
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: for the NYE one
[14:56] Neytiri Omatikaya: Discovery will have THE very first professional real pyromusical ever done on the entire Hypergrid
[14:56] Nyx Breen: theres a few shows right off time square :)
[14:56] Lindee Ellsmere: :D
[14:56] Modee Parlez: Jeff ?
[14:56] Calnia Westland: the Time Square event was amazing!
[14:57] Neytiri Omatikaya: :D
[14:57] Hazumi Kaze: :-)
[14:57] Modee Parlez: yes like 1.325 questions but ok not tonite :)
Blocked Emails
[14:58] Neytiri Omatikaya: Micro$haft
[14:58] Modee Parlez: macroganstas
[14:59] Hazumi Kaze: they dont care they microsoft
[14:59] Neytiri Omatikaya: hehe yep Modee
[14:59] Modee Parlez: i miss the days og bill gates, then we got 4 updates a year, now it's more like 4 a week
[15:00] Hazumi Kaze: microspies
[15:00] Modee Parlez: it's raining we can't be in california hahaha
[15:01] Arton Tripsa: wow
[15:02] Hazumi Kaze: understandable
[15:02] Modee Parlez: we can raise barricades and call indenpendency
[15:02] Modee Parlez: who is with me
[15:02] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol Modee
[15:02] Hazumi Kaze: i can add bombs to my plane
[15:03] Modee Parlez: ok we got airforce and navy, now some ground troops
[15:03] Lannorra Sion: raises hand
[15:03] Hazumi Kaze: zombies?
[15:03] Nyx Breen: flying monkeys from the brass baller brigade ?
[15:03] Hazumi Kaze: poo to microsoft
[15:03] Kith Whitehawk: lol
[15:04] Nyx Breen: @k lmao
[15:04] IM: Jay Copperfield: Lannorra Sion: raises hand
[15:04] Lannorra Sion: its kinda crazy, cause i get emails from Great canadian grid all the time to my live account. i did change email for here to my gmail account... But i wonder why they are not banning them?
[15:04] Modee Parlez: yeah i trained them !!!!!
[15:04] Modee Parlez: envy
[15:05] Arton Tripsa: oh my
[15:05] Lannorra Sion: oh noo
[15:05] Modee Parlez: aha
[15:05] Drew Hunter: did not know that
[15:06] Drew Hunter: very good info
[15:06] Lannorra Sion: wow
[15:06] Modee Parlez: "takes tenbears email out of the spam again "
[15:06] Tenbears Running: :)
[15:06] Neytiri Omatikaya: Modee u nuttah
[15:06] Nyx Breen: I only accept mail that is sent Par Avion only
[15:06] Modee Parlez: i am the nuttah , you that buttah
[15:07] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol Modee - no more wine for u - cutting u off
[15:07] Modee Parlez: wine per mail !!
[15:07] Nyx Breen: ok modee we now drink that blue liquid that comes from plants blue agave 8)
[15:08] Lindee Ellsmere: gasp!
[15:08] MoonMaiden Horner: o.O
[15:08] Jillian2000 Quintessa: noooo
[15:08] Nyx Breen: what the Navi want from us
[15:08] Modee Parlez: that was window cleaner nixx
[15:08] Nyx Breen: no greeks in my big fat greek wedding want that
[15:08] Modee Parlez: nyx*
[15:08] Hazumi Kaze: nice with orange juice
[15:09] Jewel Hunter: smh
[15:09] Gilbert Buchanan is online.
[15:09] Modee Parlez: you mean Curaçao
[15:10] Hazumi Kaze: its Modee again
[15:10] Nyx Breen: 5.8 Million of them are womans shoes
[15:10] Thor Wytchwood: sorry^^
[15:10] Modee Parlez: bravoooooooooooo
On Limiting Uploads
[15:10] MoonMaiden Horner: o.O
[15:10] Neytiri Omatikaya: bastidges
[15:10] Jillian2000 Quintessa: people used to do that in IW too
[15:10] Nyx Breen: make them all ken dolls
[15:11] Modee Parlez: with babrie heads
[15:11] MoonMaiden Horner: Would using the temporty textures help...or does that count as an asset too?
Temp textures would help but they don’t do that. Because these people are doing multiday builds they have to set out and take in stuff so the assets can’t be temp. The people who are using OpenSim grids to do their SL work just see grids as they freebie playground. They don’t care about the consequences.
[15:11] Modee Parlez: get your own chair gilbert hhahahah
[15:11] Hazumi Kaze: sighs
[15:11] MoonMaiden Horner: But I can use when testing textures :)
[15:12] Nyx Breen: cant wait till move to SL
[15:12] Jay Copperfield: Yes Moon
[15:12] Modee Parlez: harder on mesh stuff but possible yes
[15:13] Jillian2000 Quintessa: well there goes
[15:13] Modee Parlez: what ?????
[15:13] Hazumi Kaze: they wouldnt care
[15:13] Jillian2000 Quintessa: discovery grid
[15:13] Tony Foxx is offline.
[15:13] Jeff Edwards: I like that idea
[15:13] Cheryl Foxx is offline.
[15:13] Nyx Breen: cant build in sandboxes till economy triggers occur
That is a good idea, can be added to the region owner, renter, and now economy participant, but that too can be gamed. Someone can easily decide that paying 100DC$ once is well worth avoiding further upload costs. In SL 100DC$ is about 250L$ or 25 uploads. When a build consists of thousands of uploads, 100DC$ one time is a steal – literally.
[15:14] Hazumi Kaze: could loose prospective DG citizens
[15:14] Jillian2000 Quintessa: yes Hazumi
[15:14] Lannorra Sion: rather visitors than us
[15:14] Modee Parlez: i don't think you can stop it balpien
[15:14] Hazumi Kaze: abuseres
[15:14] Drew Hunter: sanboxs for Land owners only??
[15:14] Drew Hunter: hummm
[15:15] Drew Hunter: awww
[15:15] MoonMaiden Horner: my horrible Photoshop skills...I have to text lots of textures :(
[15:15] MoonMaiden Horner: test*
[15:15] Nyx Breen: address issue dorectly and tell them this is what it cost to create here. pay or play else wear
[15:15] Nyx Breen: directly*
[15:15] Jillian2000 Quintessa: yes you don't need land to upload mesh
[15:15] Neytiri Omatikaya: Moon - the best thing to do is use Local textures instead
[15:15] Lindee Ellsmere: No
[15:15] Lindee Ellsmere: Not from me. :)
[15:15] Grid: Jillian2000 Quintessa has given you this notecard:
Questions for Community Meeting
Do you want to keep it? "Mute" will block all future offers or messages from Jillian2000 Quintessa.
[15:15] Neytiri Omatikaya: i can show u how later if u would like - it will save u a ton of time uploading
[15:16] MoonMaiden Horner: I will from now on Ney...Ten also gave me good advice about deleting textures within 5 mins if not needed
[15:16] Modee Parlez: you can show me ney
[15:16] Nyx Breen: ban yes
Parcel Stream/Music
[15:16] Tenbears Running: A question from one of our members: My parcel music persists, even when I visit another sim. And if I toggle it still does not change. The workaround I have found is if I open the Parcel music pane on the About Land section, it will then pick up the new stream. You can only do this on your own land, though. But It should change as soon as I arrive on another parcel. Any idea when this will be fixed by the OS team?
Music streams, once started, are managed directly between the viewer and the 3rd party streamcast server. The region simulator sends the music stream URI (whether it is blank or not) to the viewer when the avatar enters the parcel. It looks like either sometimes that message to the viewer is lost or perhaps the simulator forgets to send it. I don’t know yet which it is.
[15:16] Neytiri Omatikaya: lol Modee -
[15:16] Kith Whitehawk: this happens often Ten... may complalints
[15:16] Hazumi Kaze: oh yes as Tenbears says happens to me
[15:16] Nyx Breen: it is a bussiness need to act like till tech covers manual issues
[15:16] Jeff Edwards: Amen
[15:17] Kith Whitehawk: has only occurred since the LaNani release... truly... so this is just a coincidence?
I think it is not a coincidence. There were many message delivery optimizations in the last couple of Nani releases. I suspect it’s a new bug and I will pass this problem over to Lanani.
[15:18] Austin Shepherd is offline.
About Mesh Avatars sometimes not Rendering
[15:18] Tenbears Running: Second question from a member: Why is it that when you log in, and your mesh body isn't visible, you can relog and it will appear? I've found that it can be corrected with the alpha hud, but it should have been showing the settings from my last session.
[15:19] Kith Whitehawk: yes many times ppl will not be present... not even their name tag...
Without specific details I can only guess. The older core releases from v0.9.0.1 to v0.9.1,snail have horrid mesh avatar loading problems. It can take from minutes to hours, sometimes not at all to get them to render. The Nani releases focus on performance and so the work to fix all that yields really fast load times for all avatars. Mesh avatars load in seconds now But, te really high ply count ones (400,000 – 800,000 triangles) can easily send a hundred megabyte of data to the viewer, so render time depends on how fast your network responds. Still, if you are seeing render issues give us details in a support ticket and I can follow up. There is a new setting in the latest FireStorm viewer that is now enabled by default. It says to not render malformed aka ‘bad’ mesh. It might be possible this is the problem for some people.
[15:19] Modee Parlez: Kith asks if we can make his knees look smaller ?
[15:19] Kith Whitehawk: poke Modee lol
[15:19] Jillian2000 Quintessa: better knees than other body parts
[15:20] Lindee Ellsmere: yikes!
[15:20] Hazumi Kaze: ears?
[15:20] Kith Whitehawk: i just want to know why she lookin at me knees ...?
[15:20] Modee Parlez: nostrils ?
[15:20] Hazumi Kaze: lol
[15:20] Kith Whitehawk: Bal... the entire avi is gone... even the name tag..
Now this is altogether a different issue because even though an avatar might not render, the nametag is always shown (assuming the show nametags option is set that way.) At this point I can only guess, so I ask if people un into this problem they really need to file support tickets with details: when it happen, which region (please don’t write in ‘my region’), the avatar body name, etc.
[15:20] Jillian2000 Quintessa: good old FS
[15:21] Modee Parlez: also for uoloads ?
[15:21] Modee Parlez: uploads ?
About Firestorm Support
[15:21] Hazumi Kaze: Do FS help the grids? or are they dedicated to SL ?
thevPhoenix/Firestorm viewer project has been clear about needing support (aka money) from the OpenSim community. They also want clarity from the OpenSim community about what constitute a standard core set of features because they cannot try to encompass the myriad differences between forks of the OpenSim code base. So far not much has happened around that. I personally am considering donating to the project from the grid reserves. I hope the other commercial grids do the same (or maybe they already are doing that). So, yes, the FireStorm project is dedicated much more to SL than OpenSim. I hear talk of an “OpenSIM viewer” but it takes a ton of resources aka money to make a project like that work. I was heartened when Melanie developed some pre-alpha code to demonstrate that the UnReal engine could be made to work with OpenSim region simulators. But the licensing costs to use it are not trivial and in this every-must-be-free world of OpenSim, that idea died quickly. FireStorm is presently the best maintained viewer that works with OpenSim.
More Invisible Avatar Problems
[15:21] Kith Whitehawk: Heres another thing.... one avi that is consistently invisible... is a system avi
[15:22] Lily Lightcloud is offline.
[15:22] Kith Whitehawk: Itis is.... she is regularly invisible... i thnk you have worked wit hher
[15:22] Modee Parlez: invisible or a cloud ?
[15:22] Kith Whitehawk: invisible
[15:22] Lindee Ellsmere: Has she ever submitted a support ticket Kith?
[15:22] Kith Whitehawk: yes
I have never seen a system avatar not render. Maybe it’s a bad alpha mask, that can do it. But not having seen a ticket I can only guess.
[15:22] Jillian2000 Quintessa: I saw her last night
[15:22] Modee Parlez: i can see here
[15:22] Kith Whitehawk: after she relogged...
[15:22] Lindee Ellsmere: kk
[15:22] Kith Whitehawk: all good
[15:23] Nyx Breen: the myst of support
[15:24] Kith Whitehawk: i will ask her to
[15:24] Modee Parlez: ten for president !!
[15:25] Hazumi Kaze: ok didnt realize that Balpien
[15:25] Modee Parlez: yeah and i bet non of them sail :(
On supporting the Firestorm project
[15:25] Jillian2000 Quintessa: maybe you could lmake a donate button on the Disco web site
[15:26] Jeff Edwards: Can we donate to them and specify it is for open Sim support?
[15:26] Lannorra Sion: I am sorry i have to head out. thank you all
[15:26] Hazumi Kaze: perhaps it needs to be a total grid thing
[15:26] Kith Whitehawk: see ya Lannorra :)
[15:26] Lindee Ellsmere: Bye Lann
[15:26] Lannorra Sion is offline.
[15:26] Modee Parlez: cya lannora
[15:26] Jeff Edwards: :)
[15:26] Hazumi Kaze: TC Lannorra
[15:26] Jeff Edwards: We'll hold it for you Bal! :)
[15:26] MoonMaiden Horner: Bal's wine is waiting
[15:27] Lindee Ellsmere: Thanks everyone !
[15:27] MoonMaiden Horner: looool
[15:27] Jay Copperfield: Have fun Balpien :)
[15:27] Jeff Edwards: rofl
[15:27] Hazumi Kaze: take care Balpien
[15:27] Modee Parlez: you got a what ? did he say real life? Basfemy !!
[15:27] Arton Tripsa: ty for doing all this Balpien
[15:27] Neytiri Omatikaya: Irayo Balpien!
[15:27] MoonMaiden Horner: it's breathing right now :P
[15:27] Lindee Ellsmere: We appreciate each of you SO much!!!!!!
[15:27] Jay Copperfield: Thank you very one for coming to the meeting we appreciate each and everyone of you!!!
[15:27] Kith Whitehawk: once again thank you Bal and Admin Staff for all that you do .... you guys are still keepin it real thank you ....
[15:27] Tenbears Running: Thanks for each and everyone of you. I saw 27 onboard at one time, good turnout on a beautiful Saturday
[15:27] Hazumi Kaze: great impact physics on the RL grid
[15:27] Neytiri Omatikaya ?´¨)
[15:27] Neytiri Omatikaya ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ?.(¯`•.•´¯)
[15:27] Neytiri Omatikaya (.¸.•´ (¸.•` ?¤°.`•.¸.•´ ? ? ? Applauds!! ? ? ¸.•*¨)?°?
[15:27] Drew Hunter: applause
[15:27] MoonMaiden Horner: Yay!
[15:27] Calnia Westland: thanks for the info!
[15:28] Drew Hunter: great meeting, good info
[15:28] Modee Parlez: bravoooooo
[15:28] Neytiri Omatikaya: ty as well entire DG Team
[15:28] Hazumi Kaze: TY :-)
[15:28] Katrina North: very informative
[15:28] Jay Copperfield: Thank you...Modee too ;)
[15:28] Thor Wytchwood: thanks for the update :)
[15:28] Nyx Breen: CCR
[15:28] MoonMaiden Horner: Thanks to the Team...great work!
[15:28] Aliah Dufaux: Thank you all
[15:28] Arton Tripsa: This is really the most informative World meeting I have been to
[15:28] Arton Tripsa: This is really the most informative World meeting I have been to
[15:28] Arton Tripsa: eac h time
[15:28] Jeff Edwards: Yes! Lotzs of good info!
[15:28] Lindee Ellsmere: Great Arton! Thanks
[15:28] Tenbears Running: Thx Arton, nice comment
[15:28] Jay Copperfield: Thank you Arton.
[15:29] Thor Wytchwood: think i´ll come back at the gravity thing^^
[15:29] Jillian2000 Quintessa: how do you use the HOP landmark Jeff sent?
[15:29] Lindee Ellsmere: Thank you everyone xoxo
[15:29] Calnia Westland: I have to go, will try to come back for the concert.
[15:29] Hazumi Kaze: take care everyone ?
[15:29] Drew Hunter: hope to see you Calnia
[15:29] Modee Parlez: waves to all
[15:29] Drew Hunter: at CCR
[15:29] Jay Copperfield: LOL
[15:29] MoonMaiden Horner: loooool
[15:30] Neytiri Omatikaya *waves n poofs*
[15:30] Jillian2000 Quintessa: hop://DiscoveryGrid.net:8002/The Gloebit Warehouse District/252/481/22
[15:30] MoonMaiden Horner: Take care all :)
[15:30] Calnia Westland is offline.
